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11 years 3 months ago - 11 years 3 months ago #171065 by Gerrry
tururu wrote:

I believe that the miracles Jesus and some of the apostles performed was necessary in its time. God has given us His Son, His Holy Ghost and we also have His complete written word in the Bible today. What need do we have for signs and wonders?

Someone performing a miracle in the nature of that performed by Jesus would probably be seen in our times as freak anyway. It would retract of the importance and weight of the Gospel message more then anything else.
God is very wise in what He allows and what He doesn't allow.


I think, Tururu, what you are trying to do here is convince yourself that miracles performed after the time of the apostles do not have any relation to God. I am not fooled by this: It is obvious you are attempting to discount all the miracles associated with the Catholic Church through the ages and even today.

Consider the many well-documented miracles, the many cures at Lourdes, which confound medical specialists including atheistic doctors. I am not talking about the kind of 'miracles' your evangelists claim to perform in the name of Jesus. I am not talking about chronic back aches which 'disappear' as soon as the evangelist slaps/smacks/whacks the 'sufferer' on the forehead with the palm of his hand - and gets confirmation of the cure/miracle from a most bewildered person indeed.

I am talking about severely diseased organs that are suddenly whole and perfectly healthy. I am talking about cancerous growths/tumours that disappear... tumours and growths recorded by medical specialists using the lastest technology. I am talking about believers who had been written off by the best specialists and who went on pilgrimage to Lourdes as a last resort - and were healed. Go on, deny what you do not want to believe...it will shatter your world view and your religious orientation... but denying truth is not going to change reality.

You love to google...go on, google 'Lourdes and miracles' or something like that, do thorough research but please, for your own edification, approach it with an open mind.

You cannot get away from this truth. God has never stopped showing us his love and his power - expressed through miracles.
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11 years 3 months ago #171070 by Gnarls
Sentient One wrote:

Gerrry, who said that stigmata is a blessing from GOD? Read what the Bible says about those who want signs and wonders so tha they can believe. Read John 20 to see how Jesus dealt with Thomas and brought him to repentance for his disbelief...and this is not an attack, just a question


But we don't have issues with faith. We has beef with blind faith.

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11 years 3 months ago #171077 by tururu
Gerrry wrote:
I think, Tururu, what you are trying to do here is convince yourself that miracles performed after the time of the apostles do not have any relation to God. I am not fooled by this: It is obvious you are attempting to discount all the miracles associated with the Catholic Church through the ages and even today.

Consider the many well-documented miracles, the many cures at Lourdes, which confound medical specialists including atheistic doctors. I am not talking about the kind of 'miracles' your evangelists claim to perform in the name of Jesus. I am not talking about chronic back aches which 'disappear' as soon as the evangelist slaps/smacks/whacks the 'sufferer' on the forehead with the palm of his hand - and gets confirmation of the cure/miracle from a most bewildered person indeed.

I am talking about severely diseased organs that are suddenly whole and perfectly healthy. I am talking about cancerous growths/tumours that disappear... tumours and growths recorded by medical specialists using the lastest technology. I am talking about believers who had been written off by the best specialists and who went on pilgrimage to Lourdes as a last resort - and were healed. Go on, deny what you do not want to believe...it will shatter your world view and your religious orientation... but denying truth is not going to change reality.

You love to google...go on, google 'Lourdes and miracles' or something like that, do thorough research but please, for your own edification, approach it with an open mind.

You cannot get away from this truth. God has never stopped showing us his love and his power - expressed through miracles.[/quote]

My dear Gerrry, I will not humour you with an argument regarding this. I think I've made it clear what my conviction is regarding post-biblical miracles.

I might just take your advice and read up on the \"miracles\" you've mentioned. Purely out of academic interest, of course :).

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11 years 3 months ago - 11 years 3 months ago #171078 by Gerrry
That's a good move, Tururu. :) Do not judge Catholicism unless you have read extensively on the lives of the saints as well. You owe it to yourself - if you are to pronounce on Catholicism with any degree of authority.

Once you have researched these matters and have given them serious thought, you can have absolute conviction that you are on the right path... or not.
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11 years 3 months ago #171080 by tururu
Gerrry wrote:

That's a good move, Tururu. :) Do not judge Catholicism unless you have read extensively on the lives of the saints as well. You owe it to yourself - if you are to pronounce on Catholicism with any degree of authority.

Once you have researched these matters and have given them serious thought, you can have absolute conviction that you are on the right path... or not.


Gerrry, the well-being of my soul is very important to me. As a sinner, my soul was naturally destined for condemnation....which is ,as you've so succintly pointed out in one of your blogs, a place that's void of God's presence. But God in His mercy has provided an escape route for me - He gave us Jesus Christ, asLord and Saviour. There is so much that God wants to show us in the live of His Son. I enjoy every beautiful aspect of His life and teachings. This is what I care to read about and this is what I dilligently research. In him lies my salvation. Anything else I merely consider fluff - obscuring the Primary Issue which is Christ.

So any opinions I have about the Catholic church or any other denomination for that matter is purely academic in nature. It certainly has no bearing on the salvation of my soul.

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11 years 3 months ago #171106 by Eschel
Now if the Lord can come tomorrow I guess I will not be ready. But then who not to say that I am ready maybe the Lord sees me in a better way then i do myself because if he can come tomorrow who in this world will be able to pass trough the gaits of heaven.... I ask again who?

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11 years 3 months ago #171107 by Eschel
Now if the Lord can come tomorrow I guess I will not be ready. But then who not to say that I am ready maybe the Lord sees me in a better way then i do myself because if he can come tomorrow who in this world will be able to pass trough the gaits of heaven.... I ask again who?

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11 years 3 months ago #171110 by Deeleequent
What is interesting is that even Jesus does not know when he is coming.

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11 years 3 months ago #171115 by YoungColouredMale
Eschel wrote:

Now if the Lord can come tomorrow I guess I will not be ready. But then who not to say that I am ready maybe the Lord sees me in a better way then i do myself because if he can come tomorrow who in this world will be able to pass trough the gaits of heaven.... I ask again who?


There is a simple way to find out if you will go to heaven. All it requires is answers to 4 questions?

Would you like to find out?

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11 years 3 months ago - 11 years 3 months ago #171116 by Deeleequent
YoungColouredMale wrote:

Eschel wrote:

Now if the Lord can come tomorrow I guess I will not be ready. But then who not to say that I am ready maybe the Lord sees me in a better way then i do myself because if he can come tomorrow who in this world will be able to pass trough the gaits of heaven.... I ask again who?


There is a simple way to find out if you will go to heaven. All it requires is answers to 4 questions?

Would you like to find outd?

I'm dyin to know these questions:dry:

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11 years 3 months ago #171124 by Gerrry
YoungColouredMale wrote:

Eschel wrote:

Now if the Lord can come tomorrow I guess I will not be ready. But then who not to say that I am ready maybe the Lord sees me in a better way then i do myself because if he can come tomorrow who in this world will be able to pass trough the gaits of heaven.... I ask again who?


There is a simple way to find out if you will go to heaven. All it requires is answers to 4 questions?

Would you like to find out?


here's the first one:

Are you insane and not morally responsible for your actions, like YCM is? Off you go to heaven...

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11 years 3 months ago - 11 years 3 months ago #171125 by Gerrry
tururu wrote:

Gerrry wrote:

That's a good move, Tururu. :) Do not judge Catholicism unless you have read extensively on the lives of the saints as well. You owe it to yourself - if you are to pronounce on Catholicism with any degree of authority.

Once you have researched these matters and have given them serious thought, you can have absolute conviction that you are on the right path... or not.


Gerrry, the well-being of my soul is very important to me. As a sinner, my soul was naturally destined for condemnation....which is ,as you've so succintly pointed out in one of your blogs, a place that's void of God's presence. But God in His mercy has provided an escape route for me - He gave us Jesus Christ, asLord and Saviour. There is so much that God wants to show us in the live of His Son. I enjoy every beautiful aspect of His life and teachings. This is what I care to read about and this is what I dilligently research. In him lies my salvation. Anything else I merely consider fluff - obscuring the Primary Issue which is Christ.

So any opinions I have about the Catholic church or any other denomination for that matter is purely academic in nature. It certainly has no bearing on the salvation of my soul.


Ag shame, man :dry:
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11 years 3 months ago #171135 by Sentient One
Gerrry wrote:

Sentient One wrote:

Gerrry, who said that stigmata is a blessing from GOD? Read what the Bible says about those who want signs and wonders so tha they can believe. Read John 20 to see how Jesus dealt with Thomas and brought him to repentance for his disbelief...and this is not an attack, just a question


Oh my. Come now, signs and wonders are bad? Why do Christians pray to God for miraculous cancer cures etc? Are these not signs and wonders? Why, in evangelical campaigns, do evangelists call people to come forward that they might be cured by Jesus Christ, why do this if not to show the 'unsaved' that Jesus is love, Jesus cares, Jesus has the power? This 'device' is used to lure unbelievers and the unsaved to join the church the particular preacher has founded/belongs to. And I am talking BIG names here, famous evangelists, not two-bit wannabe evangelists.

So with all respect I ask: what is it? Signs and wonders are bad? Good?


Firstly, you didnt answer my question, Gerrry.

Secondly, anyone who uses signs and wonders to 'lure' people to GOD, is ungodly because true Christian faith is based on belief in Christ alone for salvation. The ability to perform signs and wonders is basically the 'fruit' of faith and should not be done in public to bring self honour.(matthew 9:27-30) When Jesus healed the blind man he told him to tell no-one about it. Also read matt 6:16-18 in context.

G4's post is true when it comes to signs and wonders, especially those that appear to be from GOD. When we bring glory to ourselves, we take it away from GOD.

So my question is still unanswered and my battery is low. I'll wait for Monday to see your response.

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11 years 3 months ago #171159 by tururu
Gerrry wrote:

tururu wrote:

Gerrry wrote:

That's a good move, Tururu. :) Do not judge Catholicism unless you have read extensively on the lives of the saints as well. You owe it to yourself - if you are to pronounce on Catholicism with any degree of authority.

Once you have researched these matters and have given them serious thought, you can have absolute conviction that you are on the right path... or not.


Gerrry, the well-being of my soul is very important to me. As a sinner, my soul was naturally destined for condemnation....which is ,as you've so succintly pointed out in one of your blogs, a place that's void of God's presence. But God in His mercy has provided an escape route for me - He gave us Jesus Christ, asLord and Saviour. There is so much that God wants to show us in the live of His Son. I enjoy every beautiful aspect of His life and teachings. This is what I care to read about and this is what I dilligently research. In him lies my salvation. Anything else I merely consider fluff - obscuring the Primary Issue which is Christ.

So any opinions I have about the Catholic church or any other denomination for that matter is purely academic in nature. It certainly has no bearing on the salvation of my soul.


Ag shame, man :dry:


You know Gerrry, your lack of maturity sometimes astounds me :huh:...

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11 years 3 months ago - 11 years 3 months ago #171161 by Gerrry
tururu wrote:

Gerrry wrote:

tururu wrote:

Gerrry wrote:

That's a good move, Tururu. :) Do not judge Catholicism unless you have read extensively on the lives of the saints as well. You owe it to yourself - if you are to pronounce on Catholicism with any degree of authority.

Once you have researched these matters and have given them serious thought, you can have absolute conviction that you are on the right path... or not.


Gerrry, the well-being of my soul is very important to me. As a sinner, my soul was naturally destined for condemnation....which is ,as you've so succintly pointed out in one of your blogs, a place that's void of God's presence. But God in His mercy has provided an escape route for me - He gave us Jesus Christ, asLord and Saviour. There is so much that God wants to show us in the live of His Son. I enjoy every beautiful aspect of His life and teachings. This is what I care to read about and this is what I dilligently research. In him lies my salvation. Anything else I merely consider fluff - obscuring the Primary Issue which is Christ.

So any opinions I have about the Catholic church or any other denomination for that matter is purely academic in nature. It certainly has no bearing on the salvation of my soul.


Ag shame, man :dry:


You know Gerrry, your lack of maturity sometimes astounds me :huh:...


Oh I might be immature tururu, that is a strong possibility. Yet this discussion is not about my behaviour but about aspects of the Catholic Church and your reaction to my suggestion that you do research on it so that yu might contribuet to these discussions with authority, instead of ignorance. What is a certain is that you are wearing blinkers and are probably afraid of what you might find if you take a good open-minded look at the Catholic Church. And that, to me, is a shame, yes.

This is my last post on this thread - I can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. B)
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11 years 3 months ago #171169 by tururu
Gerrry wrote:

tururu wrote:

Gerrry wrote:

tururu wrote:

Gerrry wrote:

That's a good move, Tururu. :) Do not judge Catholicism unless you have read extensively on the lives of the saints as well. You owe it to yourself - if you are to pronounce on Catholicism with any degree of authority.

Once you have researched these matters and have given them serious thought, you can have absolute conviction that you are on the right path... or not.


Gerrry, the well-being of my soul is very important to me. As a sinner, my soul was naturally destined for condemnation....which is ,as you've so succintly pointed out in one of your blogs, a place that's void of God's presence. But God in His mercy has provided an escape route for me - He gave us Jesus Christ, asLord and Saviour. There is so much that God wants to show us in the live of His Son. I enjoy every beautiful aspect of His life and teachings. This is what I care to read about and this is what I dilligently research. In him lies my salvation. Anything else I merely consider fluff - obscuring the Primary Issue which is Christ.

So any opinions I have about the Catholic church or any other denomination for that matter is purely academic in nature. It certainly has no bearing on the salvation of my soul.


Ag shame, man :dry:


You know Gerrry, your lack of maturity sometimes astounds me :huh:...


Oh I might be immature tururu, that is a strong possibility. Yet this discussion is not about my behaviour but about aspects of the Catholic Church and your reaction to my suggestion that you do research on it so that yu might contribuet to these discussions with authority, instead of ignorance. What is a certain is that you are wearing blinkers and are probably afraid of what you might find if you take a good open-minded look at the Catholic Church. And that, to me, is a shame, yes.

This is my last post on this thread - I can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. B)


Thanks for slightly clearing up your very confusing and ambiguous on-liner. To me it sounded like a sarcastic remark.

In one of my postings on this thread I've mentioned two unsurmountable issues I have with the catholic church; issues that IMHO refutes their claim to be the original church of Christ - in brief (1) The fact that their interpretation of Christianity is tainted with Hellenistic philosophy (2) The many mistakes that they've made in the past which claimed thousands of innocent lives over the centuries are indicative that these decisions were not guided by the Holy Spirit.
You suggested that I research RCC history and I frankly told you that this history about \"miracles\" and \"saints\" would no doubt be very gripping stuff and I would love to read it but it would in no way clear the original issues I have with the RCC; hence it would be purely of academic interest to me.
I am sorry Gerrry that I fail to subscribe to your school of thought and I sincerely hope that although we disagree we can still shake the amicable hand with each other :) .

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11 years 3 months ago #171171 by Gerrry
tururu wrote:

Gerrry wrote:

tururu wrote:

Gerrry wrote:

tururu wrote:

Gerrry wrote:

That's a good move, Tururu. :) Do not judge Catholicism unless you have read extensively on the lives of the saints as well. You owe it to yourself - if you are to pronounce on Catholicism with any degree of authority.

Once you have researched these matters and have given them serious thought, you can have absolute conviction that you are on the right path... or not.


Gerrry, the well-being of my soul is very important to me. As a sinner, my soul was naturally destined for condemnation....which is ,as you've so succintly pointed out in one of your blogs, a place that's void of God's presence. But God in His mercy has provided an escape route for me - He gave us Jesus Christ, asLord and Saviour. There is so much that God wants to show us in the live of His Son. I enjoy every beautiful aspect of His life and teachings. This is what I care to read about and this is what I dilligently research. In him lies my salvation. Anything else I merely consider fluff - obscuring the Primary Issue which is Christ.

So any opinions I have about the Catholic church or any other denomination for that matter is purely academic in nature. It certainly has no bearing on the salvation of my soul.


Ag shame, man :dry:


You know Gerrry, your lack of maturity sometimes astounds me :huh:...


Oh I might be immature tururu, that is a strong possibility. Yet this discussion is not about my behaviour but about aspects of the Catholic Church and your reaction to my suggestion that you do research on it so that yu might contribuet to these discussions with authority, instead of ignorance. What is a certain is that you are wearing blinkers and are probably afraid of what you might find if you take a good open-minded look at the Catholic Church. And that, to me, is a shame, yes.

This is my last post on this thread - I can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. B)


Thanks for slightly clearing up your very confusing and ambiguous on-liner. To me it sounded like a sarcastic remark.

In one of my postings on this thread I've mentioned two unsurmountable issues I have with the catholic church; issues that IMHO refutes their claim to be the original church of Christ - in brief (1) The fact that their interpretation of Christianity is tainted with Hellenistic philosophy (2) The many mistakes that they've made in the past which claimed thousands of innocent lives over the centuries are indicative that these decisions were not guided by the Holy Spirit.
You suggested that I research RCC history and I frankly told you that this history about \"miracles\" and \"saints\" would no doubt be very gripping stuff and I would love to read it but it would in no way clear the original issues I have with the RCC; hence it would be purely of academic interest to me.
I am sorry Gerrry that I fail to subscribe to your school of thought and I sincerely hope that although we disagree we can still shake the amicable hand with each other :) .


Thank you for your response Tururu. I'm not going to debate this issue further, but instead I wish you great progress in your spiritual life. I have seen some fine qualities in you and we have never had a problem with each other. I trust we never will. :)

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